Deadly cesta - Opinions? - Guild Wars Forums

Kailin Aer · Nov 03, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Hi all,

Iv'e been using this same wep I got on a drop forever. It seems weird to me that this (one of my first purple drops a long time ago) has not been replaced by now, but I haven't felt that any other weps (Greens especially noticeable) can quite be worth replacing as my primary. It's really about the Energy bonus on a 1 hand weapon:

Deadly Cesta
10-19 Cold Dmg (req 7 DM)
Improves Curse (12%)
Energy +11
Energy regen. -1

This becomes a bit more clear as to why I like it when you remember that it is a 1 handed wep.
I use it and this simple blue focus:

Grim Cesta
Energy +12 (9 Blood)
Energy +15
Health +30
Energy regen -1

Thats 33 points + to energy , Plus another 30 health in this combo.

Thing is, there has got be be better NEC weapons than this. I just haven't seen one. I am not so concerned about it not being MAX DMG as keeping the energy bonuses on a 1 handed wep.

What have other folks seen that can offer the list below and is one handed?
1. Energy Bonuses greater or at least equivelent to +11
2. Anything with Health bonues?
AND
3. Greater Damage

Im curious to see if this may be about as good as I'm going to find.

KA

DeanBB · Nov 03, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29

How about:

Wand:
Damage 9-16
Energy +15
Energy Regeneration -1

Artifact:
Energy +12
Energy +15
Energy Regeneration -1
Health +30

Both are collector items so are "free". Personally I wouldn't use them under normal circumstances due to the negative energy regen.

Vilaptca · Nov 03, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kailin Aer

Thing is, there has got be be better NEC weapons than this. I just haven't seen one. I am not so concerned about it not being MAX DMG as keeping the energy bonuses on a 1 handed wep.

What have other folks seen that can offer the list below and is one handed?
1. Energy Bonuses greater or at least equivelent to +11
2. Anything with Health bonues?
AND
3. Greater Damage

Im curious to see if this may be about as good as I'm going to find.

KA

1. They can go up to +15
2. Not sure...I dont' think so though...
3. Of course, max damage for a wand is 11-22

Volarian · Nov 03, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Kailin,

I'd keep the offhand item with +27 E, +30H, -1regen and use tattoos/armour to add E. Having -2 regen easily counters the +11 E you get from the main hand item. But i'd ditch the main hand item and get either a collector piece or green that boosts casting/recharge speed.

I use those collector items on my monk, mes and necro but find something else to be my main item. Hell I even use the collectors Firewand from outside Nolani's that gives me +5 E (no criteria like health above 50%) for my monk so Im right at 70E with 3 pips of regen. You see me calling my E allot less than most Healers and I keep blood flowing just as well if not better...hehe.

There are drops out there, mostly ele wands from what I've found or seen being sold that will give you 1-5 energy permanently or based of some criteria like mentioned above. It's all personal preference - with the soul reaping option, you may have it jacked up so high the you're getting 10+E back everytime something dies and that counters the -2 regen....who knows.

Kailin Aer · Nov 03, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Volarian

Kailin,...

I see how that reads above. I knew the 22 was max dmg, but thats, the answers to 1 and 2 help.

Good points about the energy at +15 TY

As for the -1 modfiers, my armor already counters that pretty well, but the point about better casting speed is very good. It's always agravating when a Binder or Gnasher beats you to the casting haha

This is good stuff, and I'm hoping to see a few more suggestions. Thanks!

KA

Volarian · Nov 03, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Well for corpse exploitation purposes - get the bloodstainded boots from Droknar's - it adds a bonus to casting speed for corpse exploitation.

Not doubting you here but I have a necro too and armour isn't gonna make up for the -2 regen on energy that you're losing. I have 60E with -1regen due to the +27E/+30H/-1regen offhand I carry and as well have 15k armour. So unless you've discovered another armour set I know nothing about......the additional 11 E you get with that main hand item is great on one side but causes you to actually be at a disadvantage because you wont recoup the E spent fast enough (again, unless you have a really high soul reaping)

Kailin Aer · Nov 03, 2005, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volarian

Not doubting you here but I have a necro too and armour isn't gonna make up for the -2 regen on energy that you're losing.

I do actually, I wrote out a detail on it, but this forum seems very unstable. Im busy now, but may write it again later if this (the 3rd try) actually posts ok.

KA

Daegul Mistweaver · Nov 04, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volarian

Well for corpse exploitation purposes - get the bloodstainded boots from Droknar's - it adds a bonus to casting speed for corpse exploitation.

Actually those are bugged and have no benefit at all.

Kailin Aer · Nov 04, 2005, 05:06 AM // 05:06

Volarian...

Not that I think it really pertains, but as you asked. Below is the basics of my armor and shows how it negates the 2 -1 regens. BTW, I noticed that most balancing in GW weps, runs, and skills are balanced via a - modifier, so I dont expect to see a better wep combo that doesnt have some balance, thoughh If there is one, well, thats really a good thing

My Armor:
Bloodstained Boots +1 Energy Regen (Note Thanks Daegul, I didnt know the Corpse Magic was nerfed)
Bloodstained legginfs also add +1 energy recovery

those two negate the wep combo -1s alone.

BTW, as you mentioned 15k armor; my armor is 15k, but thats irrelevent as thats just for looks anyway.

BTW, your "off hand" collector is -1 energy like mine if it is the one from the collector.

Still havent seen a wep anyone actually has that improves on the combo I currently use. I KNOW there has got to be one. The Focus is MAX , or so I strogly believe from research (I could be wrong, but smeone would have to show me and Im very interested). It's the Wep in this combo that I feel is more likely to be improved upon, but does anyone have one or have seen one?

Thanks all

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanBB

How about:

Wand:
Damage 9-16
Energy +15
Energy Regeneration -1

Artifact:
Energy +12
Energy +15
Energy Regeneration -1
Health +30

Both are collector items so are "free". Personally I wouldn't use them under normal circumstances due to the negative energy regen.

The Arifact IS the same one I described

The weapon is OK, but not really much different and even lower dmg. I like the fast recharge option. You should see it when it kicks in, almost funny how many curses you can throw around in Fow/UW. Thanks though.

MaglorD · Nov 04, 2005, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daegul Mistweaver

Actually those are bugged and have no benefit at all.

Are they still bugged? Seems faster when casting with my primary necro than secondary.

Carinae · Nov 04, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volarian

Well for corpse exploitation purposes - get the bloodstainded boots from Droknar's - it adds a bonus to casting speed for corpse exploitation.

They apparently don't do anything. See here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t=bloodstained

To get a max dmg, +energy truncheon, you need to look on the Sell forum. Here's a few:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ight=Truncheon

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ight=Truncheon

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ight=Truncheon

The general consensus is that all casters should go with 4 pips of energy regeration and not use -1 wands or offhands normally. I do find that the 27/-1/30 offhand helps me tremendously when I am running with Minions, because of the larger energy pool and the unpredictable nature of soul reaping.

I don't know what build you're running, but using BOTH a -1 offhand and a -1 wand seems like a bad item to me....

DeanBB · Nov 04, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Quote:

Below is the basics of my armor and shows how it negates the 2 -1 regens.

All necromancer leggings and boots have the +1 pip of energy regen so a necro should have 4 pips. You have 2 pips, so yes you are suffering from reduced energy regen and basically have what a warrior has.

Personally, I would find a good wand/artifact or staff and use that in the primary weapon slot and put the two big energy items in an alternate slot and swap to them as needed. I prefer the 20/20 items as death spells can be slow to cast and recycle.

I pointed out the collector items as a way to show what you have isn't particularly unique, perhaps a bit better than the collector items though.

Kailin Aer · Nov 04, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Carinae

Thanks for pointing those out. Thats more like what I was looking for

Soul Reaping is another area I've been tweaking to assist.
The Build I run depends on where I'm at. I'm a PvE player and I think most of the better Necs do the same.
e.g. Personally I run minnions and wells heavily in SF, but chnage to blood (BiP*) MAX and curses in UW/FoW. I change scar patterns and gloves in each too.

DeanBB. I never said they were unique

Could you claify this...
"Personally, I would find a good wand/artifact or staff and use that in the primary weapon slot and put the two big energy items in an alternate slot and swap to them as needed. I prefer the 20/20 items as death spells can be slow to cast and recycle."

I'm not folowing what your saying there sorry.

KA

DeanBB · Nov 04, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

You can have up to 4 weapon slots which are tied to F1, F2, F3, F4.

For your primary slot (F1) equip the best staff or wand/artifact you have which could provide +15 energy or more and still allow you to have 4 pips of energy regen. You can also have the 20% chance of fast cast + 20% chance of fast recharge with this.

In the next weapon slot (F2) put your +30 (or whatever they add up to) energy -2 pips items and if you need a sudden energy boost hit F2 to equip them, use your mana and hit F1 to swap back to the faster regen item(s).

Kailin Aer · Nov 04, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanBB

You can have up to 4 weapon slots which are tied to F1, F2, F3, F4.

For your primary slot (F1) equip the best staff or wand/artifact you have which could provide +15 energy or more and still allow you to have 4 pips of energy regen. You can also have the 20% chance of fast cast + 20% chance of fast recharge with this.

In the next weapon slot (F2) put your +30 (or whatever they add up to) energy -2 pips items and if you need a sudden energy boost hit F2 to equip them, use your mana and hit F1 to swap back to the faster regen item(s).

Ahh, yeah, I already have a MAX Staff I do that with

Mana? I pretty much stick with the N/Mo combo. I like having rebirth to get team mates outta trouble areas.

The Son Of Morgoth · Nov 05, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23

OMFG bloodstained boots better not be broken

Kailin Aer · Nov 05, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Son Of Morgoth

OMFG bloodstained boots better not be broken

Reading this thread, I have to agree with what some folks have discosverd and it does appear they do nothing in the release version of the game.

More...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t=bloodstained

Shadowdaemon · Nov 05, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

generally i would agree that the energy degen really sucks and isnt worth it, but on my necro i use the same type of weapon, with soul reaping, i almost never run out of energy, and i use blood mostly so if i am not bringing life transfer then i have offering of blood, so energy is not a problem

on my monk i sometimes use a secondary item with a -1 energy on it, and it can be a problem at times, but again i bring offering of blood, so it really doesn't matter

Nov 03, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03	#1
Kailin Aer Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Guild: Bad Karma Resurrection [BKR]	Deadly cesta - Opinions? Hi all, Iv'e been using this same wep I got on a drop forever. It seems weird to me that this (one of my first purple drops a long time ago) has not been replaced by now, but I haven't felt that any other weps (Greens especially noticeable) can quite be worth replacing as my primary. It's really about the Energy bonus on a 1 hand weapon: Deadly Cesta 10-19 Cold Dmg (req 7 DM) Improves Curse (12%) Energy +11 Energy regen. -1 This becomes a bit more clear as to why I like it when you remember that it is a 1 handed wep. I use it and this simple blue focus: Grim Cesta Energy +12 (9 Blood) Energy +15 Health +30 Energy regen -1 Thats 33 points + to energy , Plus another 30 health in this combo. Thing is, there has got be be better NEC weapons than this. I just haven't seen one. I am not so concerned about it not being MAX DMG as keeping the energy bonuses on a 1 handed wep. What have other folks seen that can offer the list below and is one handed? 1. Energy Bonuses greater or at least equivelent to +11 2. Anything with Health bonues? AND 3. Greater Damage Im curious to see if this may be about as good as I'm going to find. KA

Nov 03, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29	#2
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	How about: Wand: Damage 9-16 Energy +15 Energy Regeneration -1 Artifact: Energy +12 Energy +15 Energy Regeneration -1 Health +30 Both are collector items so are "free". Personally I wouldn't use them under normal circumstances due to the negative energy regen.

Nov 03, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13	#4
Volarian Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Guild: NOT-Nomads Of Turmoil	Kailin, I'd keep the offhand item with +27 E, +30H, -1regen and use tattoos/armour to add E. Having -2 regen easily counters the +11 E you get from the main hand item. But i'd ditch the main hand item and get either a collector piece or green that boosts casting/recharge speed. I use those collector items on my monk, mes and necro but find something else to be my main item. Hell I even use the collectors Firewand from outside Nolani's that gives me +5 E (no criteria like health above 50%) for my monk so Im right at 70E with 3 pips of regen. You see me calling my E allot less than most Healers and I keep blood flowing just as well if not better...hehe. There are drops out there, mostly ele wands from what I've found or seen being sold that will give you 1-5 energy permanently or based of some criteria like mentioned above. It's all personal preference - with the soul reaping option, you may have it jacked up so high the you're getting 10+E back everytime something dies and that counters the -2 regen....who knows.

Nov 03, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00	#6
Volarian Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Guild: NOT-Nomads Of Turmoil	Well for corpse exploitation purposes - get the bloodstainded boots from Droknar's - it adds a bonus to casting speed for corpse exploitation. Not doubting you here but I have a necro too and armour isn't gonna make up for the -2 regen on energy that you're losing. I have 60E with -1regen due to the +27E/+30H/-1regen offhand I carry and as well have 15k armour. So unless you've discovered another armour set I know nothing about......the additional 11 E you get with that main hand item is great on one side but causes you to actually be at a disadvantage because you wont recoup the E spent fast enough (again, unless you have a really high soul reaping)

Nov 04, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30	#13
Kailin Aer Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Guild: Bad Karma Resurrection [BKR]	Carinae Thanks for pointing those out. Thats more like what I was looking for Soul Reaping is another area I've been tweaking to assist. The Build I run depends on where I'm at. I'm a PvE player and I think most of the better Necs do the same. e.g. Personally I run minnions and wells heavily in SF, but chnage to blood (BiP*) MAX and curses in UW/FoW. I change scar patterns and gloves in each too. DeanBB. I never said they were unique Could you claify this... "Personally, I would find a good wand/artifact or staff and use that in the primary weapon slot and put the two big energy items in an alternate slot and swap to them as needed. I prefer the 20/20 items as death spells can be slow to cast and recycle." I'm not folowing what your saying there sorry. KA

Nov 04, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16	#14
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	You can have up to 4 weapon slots which are tied to F1, F2, F3, F4. For your primary slot (F1) equip the best staff or wand/artifact you have which could provide +15 energy or more and still allow you to have 4 pips of energy regen. You can also have the 20% chance of fast cast + 20% chance of fast recharge with this. In the next weapon slot (F2) put your +30 (or whatever they add up to) energy -2 pips items and if you need a sudden energy boost hit F2 to equip them, use your mana and hit F1 to swap back to the faster regen item(s).

Nov 05, 2005, 08:23 AM // 08:23	#16
The Son Of Morgoth Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Guild: The Servants Of Morgoth Profession: N/	OMFG bloodstained boots better not be broken

Nov 05, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30	#18
Shadowdaemon Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Anderson IN USA Guild: Ecks Di [xD] Profession: W/N	generally i would agree that the energy degen really sucks and isnt worth it, but on my necro i use the same type of weapon, with soul reaping, i almost never run out of energy, and i use blood mostly so if i am not bringing life transfer then i have offering of blood, so energy is not a problem on my monk i sometimes use a secondary item with a -1 energy on it, and it can be a problem at times, but again i bring offering of blood, so it really doesn't matter